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Why? · Mar 09, 2011, 06:12 PM // 18:12

we should all have a full bar of pve skills allowed. Why not? I mean if you want absurd mode just get cons and nothing matters anymore.

Tharg · Mar 09, 2011, 06:38 PM // 18:38

Heroes should be able to use the same skills as human players can. In order to keep it interesting, give us Very Hard Mode (VHM) where we have 7 heroes that can have 3 PvE skills each.

Improvavel · Mar 09, 2011, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Anyway, no, no, no, no, no. The game has become so easy it's kind of embarassing. Add PvE skills to the heroes and you should never fail anywhere, ever again. Why not give people the ability to have 3 or 4 professions? Or give heroes 2 Elite skills.

Stupid argument. And you know it.

Nobody is asking for something that isn't an option in the game already - human players, including those that play with heroes, have the ability to use 3 pve-only skills. No player has the ability to use 3 or 4 professions.

You have the right to not support it, but don't try to make absurd arguments.

If the game is so easy, Anet should simply remove the pve-only skills. Then everybody would be in an equal footing.

chuckles79 · Mar 09, 2011, 06:52 PM // 18:52

Here's the problem, the live team would need to do an update to the AI so they would know how to use the PvE skills. A waste of time at this point.

That being said, I would not mind one of the two following options:
A. Heroes are allowed to bring only ONE PvE only skill. It's crazy unfair to have heroes using all the abilities that humans have. SoS hero rit with summon spirits would be awful enough. We don't need human imbas.

B. The other option is a weekend event where heroes can use PvE only skills. This could go along with another event idea I've thought of "retro skill weekend". One skill that was previously nerfed can be reinstated to it's max functionality for the weekend. Perhaps one weekend every month or every other month. Ursanway back for 3 days, SF back, spellbreaker, OoV, even EoE.

Anything and everything to make this game so mindnumbingly easy that your brains turn into Jello Pudding.

We could all go option C. which is quit your -----ing!

Improvavel · Mar 09, 2011, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by chuckles79

Here's the problem, the live team would need to do an update to the AI so they would know how to use the PvE skills. A waste of time at this point.

No. The large majority of the pve-only skills, if not all, fall under the same usage conditions of most other skills.

For example, Save yourselves - it is just like any shout and pretty much equal to Watch yourselves.

Great dwarf weapon - just like any offensive weapon spell.

Technobabble - just like any skill that target casters.

etc, etc.

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That being said, I would not mind one of the two following options:
A. Heroes are allowed to bring only ONE PvE only skill. It's crazy unfair to have heroes using all the abilities that humans have. SoS hero rit with summon spirits would be awful enough. We don't need human imbas.

It is unfair because you say so, right?

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We could all go option C. which is quit your -----ing!

So, 1 party of 8 players doing an area could have 24 pve-only skills and personal consumables.

But if those 8 players vanquish that same area with their 7 heroes instead, you can only use 3 pve-only skills per party?

The outcome will be exactly the same - each player will get the same amount of money, xp, gold items, chests open, etc.

Lanier · Mar 09, 2011, 07:06 PM // 19:06

This is an awful idea... why would heroes need PvE skills. They were already a stupid addition to the game (at least the eotn ones)... I simply don't see why heroes should be allowed to use them.

Ghost Dog · Mar 09, 2011, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by Improvavel

Stupid argument. And you know it.

Nobody is asking for something that isn't an option in the game already - human players, including those that play with heroes, have the ability to use 3 pve-only skills. No player has the ability to use 3 or 4 professions.

You have the right to not support it, but don't try to make absurd arguments.

If the game is so easy, Anet should simply remove the pve-only skills. Then everybody would be in an equal footing.

A stupid argument is better than a self destructing argument.

Improvavel · Mar 09, 2011, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by Ghost Dog

A stupid argument is better than a self destructing argument.

Exactly how allowing heroes to use pve-only skills, under the same conditions human players do, is a self destructing argument or causes imbalances that don't already exist?

Do you prefer if I rewrite the argument as:

"People are asking for heroes to be able to reproduce human skill bars, something that is in the game and didn't cause the game to implode."

Can you now comment on the topic at hand?

Or do you I need to go call someone that is a native english speaker to write it for me so you can understand?

*lemming* · Mar 09, 2011, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Usually, when a thread goes bad, my first choice is to delete the crap and try to keep it intact.

Unfortunately, this thread had little redeeming merit to begin with.